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Thread Index [isp-wireless] RE: P2P blocking and Mikrotik
The 10% skew you talk about seems like a reasonable amount. The problem only becomes an issue when the vast percentage of your clients leave their computers on all the time and don't take the time to learn about what their computers are actually doing. Hell, we had to shut off 7 customers when their computers got infected with the last worm after we walked them over the phone on how to patch against it. They couldn't have been bothered to wait the 10 minutes for the download and install to finish. We work with a lot of students. Students like free stuff. If you can download it, they will. Ask them what they have installed on their computers and they give you a blank stare. Tell them that their KaZaA is running, they say they shut it off when they are done. Point out that it is in fact still running, they don't believe you even when they can see it themselves. I'm not saying this is true for every student or every customer of ours, it is just a blanket statement that unfortunately appears very accurate. It's something that may change over time but that has a serious impact present-day. This type of solution may not be ideal for you and your customers. I'm not saying that I totally agree with having to implement it myself either. It's just that when you step back from the problem and notice a single major cause, you do your best to reduce it's effect. Once P2P and similar applications begin to behave properly and not try every trick in the bag to bypass the management of them, I would gladly allow them back unrestricted. Until that time, it is an uphill battle to stay one step in front of the game. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeromie Reeves" <jreeves@speedexpress.net> To: <isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:33 PM Subject: [isp-wireless] RE: P2P blocking and Mikrotik | Are you using 11b for the last mile?? I find that our out is about balanced | with | our in(more in during the day, more out during the night) with a overall | 10% skew. | We charge a user for the BW and explain that if they share, they pay. We also | explain we will give there name if a correctly legal request come's to us. Most | get the idea and are responsible. We explain that our services are like | water, you | pay for XX/mo and pay for over use. Everyone we sit down with and have a good | talk with treats the connection far better then the ones we just install | and walk | away from. Maybe its a function of size vs time spent with customer type??? | We are small even by wISP standards, even tho we cover more then our | competitor. | | Jeromie Reeves | | | | At 03:02 PM 10/30/2003 -0500, you wrote: | >It has been our experience that 99% of the trouble that P2P networks cause | >is due to outgoing traffic. We have gotten numerous complaints from | >customers stating that ever since they got wireless, their computers are | >running very slow. EVERY ONE of them was due to having everybody in the | >world download from their computer as fast as it can dish it out. The RIAA | >isn't truly concerned with people downloading the music, they're concerned | >with people distributing the music. You eliminate people from distributing | >it, you eliminate people downloading it. | > | >We have been successfully filtering OUTGOING P2P traffic for over 2 months | >now and have not had a single complaint. Downloads are just as fast as | >before, uploads are just throttled back to 1k/sec. Now the few customers on | >our network who believe in the P2P ideals and want to share their music with | >the rest of the world, we point them to our TOS which states "no servers | >allowed on residential connections" and offer them the business connection. | >Never once did we receive a request to switch. Most people have this idea | >that the Internet is free. It isn't. WE have to pay for the bandwidth and | >quite frankly, if I have customers complaining about their download speeds | >due to the 5+ times more outgoing traffic filling the lines, P2P is the | >first to go. 8MB/s out vs 2MB/s in is a serious problem regardless of how | >you look at it. | > | >Mike | > | > | > | >----- Original Message ----- | >From: "Bryan Clark" <bryan@eburg.com> | >To: <isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com> | >Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 2:35 PM | >Subject: [isp-wireless] RE: P2P blocking and Mikrotik | > | > | >| Is this P2P blocking feature only available in the 2.8 beta version | >| right now? And if not... how do I get in on this action? :) | >| | >| Gino Villarini wrote: | >| | >| >we just installed this yesterday too... but we are not blocking p2p, we | >just | >| >gave them a 100 kbps for all to share! they wouldnt know the diff, | >because | >| >they think the place they're downloading from is slow! | >| > | >| >Gino | >| > | >| >-----Original Message----- | >| >From: Erik Stave [mailto:erik@pfbiz.com] | >| >Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 3:05 PM | >| >To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com | >| >Subject: [isp-wireless] P2P blocking and Mikrotik | >| > | >| > | >| >Last week I installed a Mikrotik 2.8beta box configured as a bridge | >| >after the router. We are blocking P2P file sharing and the results have | >| >been very entertaining. People will not actually call up and tell you | >| >that Kazaa is not working. It is the "Internet" has stopped working... | >| >Or I cannot get to the sites that I need. | >| > | >| >We have had one customer cancel... Traffic during the daytime has | >| >remained the same essentially, but evening and weekend traffic is 25-30% | >| >lower. | >| > | >| > | >| >Erik Stave | >| >VP/CTO | >| >erik@pfbiz.com | >| >Prairie Fire Communications | >| >140 N Phillips, Suite 404 | >| >Sioux Falls, SD 57104 | >| > | >| > | >| >I've stopped 3,677 spam messages. You can too! | >| >One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/ | >| > | >| > | >| > | >| > | >| > | >| > | >| > | >| > | >| | >| | >| | >| | >| | >| | > | > | > | | | | |
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