[isp-marketing] Re: Internet users stats.... WAS: ISPSolutions

[Alex Goldman <agoldman@...>]

Russ, you would be proved correct if it turns out that public companies are
overreporting subscriber numbers.

Folks, part of the difference numbers is about customers vs. subscribers.
You get paid per household, not per end user, so it's the household numbers
that I use when I put together these numbers (and it's time to start
updating them all again -- it takes some time to go through all the
numbers -- expect an update at the end of this month).

For more on customers vs. subscribers, see:
http://isp-planet.com/letters/2004/subscribers_customers.html

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Alex Goldman
Managing Editor, ISP-Planet

www.isp-planet.com

JupiterWeb, a division of Jupitermedia Corporation

P.S. Debate makes the numbers better.


-----Original Message-----
From: Russ Intravartolo [mailto:russ@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 1:38 PM
To: isp-marketing@isp-marketing.com
Subject: [isp-marketing] Re: Internet users stats.... WAS: ISP Solutions


Hard for me to believe a number north of 55 million.  I know, there are
many stats out there that say more, but knowing the subscriber
quantities of the top 20 retail ISPs, it's hard to come up with
anything close to 70 million.

If you look at the subscriber quantities of the companies in the lower
portion of the top 20, you'll see numbers like 70,000 for their
subscriber counts.  Let's take a look at the logic:  There are about 43
million dial-up subscribers on the list of top 20 retail ISPs.  The
last ones on the list have less than 70,000 subscribers.

Knowing there are less than 2,000 operating ISPs in the USA (our lists
compiled and maintained over the last 9 years), the stated numbers from
Jupiter would suggest that small ISPs have an average about 13,500
subscribers each (assuming there are 70m dial-up subscribers out
there).  That does not make sense.

How many on this list are north of 5,000 paying dial-up subscribers?  I
would venture to say that it's not the majority.

Please know that I am not saying that 5,000 is not a great number to
have, or even less.  I'm just saying it's hard to find hundreds of ISPs
that have that many subscribers out there.

Also, knowing the wholesale industry, and approximate numbers for our
competitors, it supports numbers in the 55 million range.

And, Jupiter's report contains DSL and Cable users, it's not only
Dial-up.


I'm no statistician, just someone who's been in the industry for 10
years with a little insight.

On Aug 3, 2004, at 11:29 AM, Frank Muto wrote:

> Russ,
> Prior to the 3rd Quarter rankings of 2002
> http://isp-planet.com/research/rankings/usa_history_q32002.html, ISP
> Planet
> was using Cyber Atlas' estimate of 149 million subscribers. Starting
> from
> their 4th Quarter 2002,
> http://isp-planet.com/research/rankings/2003/usa_history_q42002.html
> rankings they were using Jupiter Research estimates of 74.3 million as
> the
> basis point to calculate from.
>
> Now check here at Click Z's,
> http://www.clickz.com/stats/big_picture/geographics/article.php/
> 5911_151151
> and you get other estimates. Nielsen's shows 138.80 million users as
> of June
> 2004, at home. Additional information can be found here at
> http://www.clickz.com/news/article.php/3328091 about USA stats.
>
> So that being said, what is the best case data available to use to
> draw a
> conclusion from? Most business plans I have seen or have done research
> for,
> use the Neilsen's ratings. Draw your own conclusions on what stats to
> consider.
>
>
>
>
> Frank Muto
> President/Ceo
> FSM Marketing Group, Inc
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russ Intravartolo" <russ@...>
>>
>> Ed, before you make a claim about Jupiter date, get the facts.   Read
>> this article: http://isp-planet.com/research/rankings/usa.html
>>
>
>




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