Thanks Thomas for igniting this issue.
Seems though you were out of pronouns when you chose the title for this
thread :)

I encourage all participants to distinguish between business intentions
(keep that out) and fruitful discussion (keep that in).
Having said that, I must break this rule and correct a previous email
inferring we stopped development, which is of course incorrect.

Back to the issue itself, a recent paper I contributed to may include
interesting findings regarding measurements, characteristics and algorithms:

"Deconstructing the Kazaa Network" at
http://www.cs.ucdavis.edu/~aksoy/wiapp03/techprogram.html 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ranko Zivojnovic [mailto:ranko@...Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:31 PM
To: isp-caching@isp-caching.com
Cc: Ahmad Masood Shah
Subject: [isp-caching] RE: interresting


Tripleceptor is designed to work together with the Proxymus caching engine
and comes together with it. If you are interested in the evaluation of the
software, you are welcome and we can discuss this of the list.

Best regards,

Ranko


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ahmad Masood Shah [mailto:jahil@...> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:18 PM
> To: ISP-CACHING Discussion List
> Cc: ranko@...
> Subject: Re: [isp-caching] RE: interresting
>
>
> nice information... please let me know from where i can download
> Tripleceptor module.
>
> --
>
> Best Regs,
> Masood Ahmad Shah
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ranko Zivojnovic" <ranko@...>
> To: <isp-caching@isp-caching.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 4:44 PM
> Subject: [isp-caching] RE: interresting
>
>
> | On the point of the redirecting the traffic to the caching engine:
> Proxymus
> | does support WCCPv2 and any other port based redirection for
> this purpose,
> | but we strongly discourage customers from using it.
> |
> | We have proven that about 70% of all P2P traffic that traverses the
> backbone
> | is port-hopped, thus not redirected to the cache. This significantly
> reduces
> | the cache byte hit rate and for this reason we have developed the
> | Tripleceptor which does, what we call, "context based redirection". With
> | context based redirection an application can work on _any_ port
> it likes,
> | but it will end up being redirected to the cache.
> |
> | Best regards,
> |
> | Ranko
> |
> | > -----Original Message-----
> | > From: Amos Rosenboim [mailto:r.amos@...> | > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 11:38 AM
> | > To: isp-caching@isp-caching.com
> | > Subject: [isp-caching] RE: interresting
> | >
> | >
> | > The first p2p cache that i know of was developed by expand
> networks from
> | > israel.
> | > I have two of 3 of those in my network for fastrack ( Kazza ) traffic.
> | > It used to be very effective when kazza was working on a
> single tcp port
> | > (1214).
> | > now we need to do all kinds of layer 4 -7 tricks to get the traffic to
> | > the cache.
> | > Every cache of mine deals with roughly 100Mbits/sec.
> | > Expand networks stopped the development of their product,
> however, since
> | > then there are new products like mushrooms. the examples i know of:
> | >
> | > Joltid - the same people who are behind kazza, they have a very nice
> | > product.
> | >
> | >
> | > Sandvine - more complicated product then most of them but a
> vey serious
> | > compnay.
> | >
> | > Regards
> | > Amos
> | >
> | >
> | > -----Original Message-----
> | > From: Moshe Konortov [mailto:moshek@...> | > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 10:28 AM
> | > To: isp-caching@isp-caching.com
> | > Subject: [isp-caching] RE: interresting
> | >
> | > I'm doing it as a reseller for those product and also Expand doing it
> | >
> | > Regards,
> | >
> | > Moshe Konortov
> | >
> | > -----Original Message-----
> | > From: Mark Pace Balzan [mailto:mpb@...> | > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:28 AM
> | > To: isp-caching@isp-caching.com
> | > Subject: [isp-caching] RE: interresting
> | >
> | >
> | > Has anyone been using/testing these products
> | >
> | > care to comment about their performance and effectiveness.
> | >
> | >
> | > cheers
> | >
> | > Mark
> | >
> | >
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "Moshe Konortov" <moshek@ankor.co.il>
> | > To: <isp-caching@isp-caching.com>
> | > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:39 AM
> | > Subject: [isp-caching] RE: interresting
> | >
> | >
> | > > Hi,
> | > >
> | > > Yes there are,
> | > >
> | > > Sandvine - at www.sandvine.com and cachelogic at www.cachelogic.com
> | > > They doing Edonkey and Fastrack and Gnutella.
> | > > Sandvine is not a caching system, its idea is to catch the
> p2p traffic
> | > > and redirect it to low cost lines
> | > >
> | > > Regards,
> | > >
> | > > Moshe Konortov
> | > >
> | > > -----Original Message-----
> | > > From: Pablo A. Destefanis (Ecoband) [mailto:pablo@...> | > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:49 AM
> | > > To: isp-caching@isp-caching.com
> | > > Subject: [isp-caching] RE: interresting
> | > >
> | > > Interesting indeed! Is anyone using any caching engine to catch P2P
> | > > traffic? Are there other products out there?
> | > >
> | > > Best,
> | > >
> | > > Pablo.
> | > >
> | > > -----Original Message-----
> | > > From: Ranko Zivojnovic [mailto:ranko@...> | > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 01:47
> | > > To: isp-caching@isp-caching.com
> | > > Cc: thomas@...
> | > > Subject: [isp-caching] RE: interresting
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > I believe that you will find the following very interesting too:
> | > >
> | > > http://proxymus.spidernet.net
> | > >
> | > > Regards,
> | > >
> | > > Ranko
> | > >
> | > > > -----Original Message-----
> | > > > From: Thomas Kirk [mailto:thomas@...> | > > > Sent: 03 July 2003 12:58
> | > > > To: isp-caching@isp-caching.com
> | > > > Subject: [isp-caching] interresting
> | > > >
> | > > >
> | > > > http://theregister.co.uk/content/6/31532.html
> | > > >
> | > > > --
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> | > > > Thomas Kirk
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