I do agree but maybe many of your customers are
suffering because a limited number of them are
aggressively consuming YOUR bandwidth (lets consider
it is not unlimited)by starting large number of
concurrent connections. 
That why Allot is also proposing a different approach
to control P2P: fairness per users (and not per
connections. No limitation - no application control -
just equity per user when your bandwidth is congested.

If you are concerned by doing "any effort to improve
users experience" it could be a good complement !!
 

--- Amos Rosenboim <r.amos@....il> wrote:
> My own two cents:
> 
> P2p is one of the great things that happened in the
> internet.
> It really follows the model of a great open public
> network.
> I don't want to limit or shape my users traffic
> because I believe they
> are entiteled to do what ever they want with the
> bandwidth they are
> paying for.
> But since p2p is challanging my network I will do
> any effort to improve
> my users experience using caching/redirection like
> the solutions from
> expand/joltid/sandvine
> 
> Regards
> Amos
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrick deroudilhe [mailto:pderoudi@...> 
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: isp-caching@isp-caching.com
> Subject: [isp-caching] RE: interresting
> 
> Question was :
> 
> > Interesting indeed! Is anyone using any caching
> engine to catch P2P traffic? Are there other
> products
> out there?
> 
> You can also use Traffic shappers to control P2P
> bandwidth allocation (I aggree it is different
> approach).
> www.allot.com is doing nice P2P
> (KazaaV2-Gnutella)application recognition
> (signature)
> and shapping up to 1Gbps throughput. They also
> propose
> Transparent Cache Redirection option. 
> 
> Regards
> Patrick
> --- "Pablo A. Destefanis (Ecoband)"
> <pablo@...> wrote:
> > Thank you Amos and everyone. 
> > 
> > BTW, there's a pretty good white paper on caching
> > P2P traffic that was
> > written by Nathaniel Leibowitz, Aviv Bergman and
> > others based on some
> > very detailed tests they did with Amos (I think
> so,
> > am I right?).
> > 
> > Very informative.
> > (http://2002.iwcw.org/papers/18500253.pdf)
> > 
> > Does anyone ever tried to use iptables to do the
> L4
> > switching on a
> > multihomed Linux box? I don't have the budget for
> an
> > Alteon box... ;-)
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Pablo.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Amos Rosenboim [mailto:r.amos@...> > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 08:38
> > To: isp-caching@isp-caching.com
> > Subject: [isp-caching] RE: interresting
> > 
> > 
> > The first p2p cache that i know of was developed
> by
> > expand networks from
> > israel. I have two of 3 of those in my network for
> > fastrack ( Kazza )
> > traffic. It used to be very effective when kazza
> was
> > working on a single
> > tcp port (1214). now we need to do all kinds of
> > layer 4 -7 tricks to get
> > the traffic to the cache. Every cache of mine
> deals
> > with roughly
> > 100Mbits/sec. Expand networks stopped the
> > development of their product,
> > however, since then there are new products like
> > mushrooms. the examples
> > i know of:
> > 
> > Joltid - the same people who are behind kazza,
> they
> > have a very nice
> > product.
> > 
> > 
> > Sandvine - more complicated product then most of
> > them but a vey serious
> > compnay.
> > 
> > Regards
> > Amos
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Moshe Konortov [mailto:moshek@...> > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 10:28 AM
> > To: isp-caching@isp-caching.com
> > Subject: [isp-caching] RE: interresting
> > 
> > I'm doing it as a reseller for those product and
> > also Expand doing it
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Moshe Konortov
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Pace Balzan
> [mailto:mpb@...> > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:28 AM
> > To: isp-caching@isp-caching.com
> > Subject: [isp-caching] RE: interresting
> > 
> > 
> > Has anyone been using/testing these products
> > 
> > care to comment about their performance and
> > effectiveness.
> > 
> > 
> > cheers
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Moshe Konortov" <moshek@ankor.co.il>
> > To: <isp-caching@isp-caching.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:39 AM
> > Subject: [isp-caching] RE: interresting
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Yes there are,
> > >
> > > Sandvine - at www.sandvine.com and cachelogic at
> > www.cachelogic.com 
> > > They doing Edonkey and Fastrack and Gnutella.
> > Sandvine is not a 
> > > caching system, its idea is to catch the p2p
> > traffic and redirect it 
> > > to low cost lines
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Moshe Konortov
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Pablo A. Destefanis (Ecoband)
> > [mailto:pablo@...> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:49 AM
> > > To: isp-caching@isp-caching.com
> > > Subject: [isp-caching] RE: interresting
> > >
> > > Interesting indeed! Is anyone using any caching
> > engine to catch P2P 
> > > traffic? Are there other products out there?
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Pablo.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ranko Zivojnovic
> > [mailto:ranko@...> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 01:47
> > > To: isp-caching@isp-caching.com
> > > Cc: thomas@...
> > > Subject: [isp-caching] RE: interresting
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe that you will find the following very
> > interesting too:
> > >
> > > http://proxymus.spidernet.net
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Ranko
> > >
> 
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